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	<title>Comments on: News: Continental teams, Bahati Foundation, Adageo Energy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Dominguez to Jamis. What a move</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Dominguez to Jamis. What a move</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you&#039;re saying about buying equipment, but only 2 or 3 teams have to do this. And they all merged into one for 2010. All of the other teams have full sponsorship deals. It does hurt the bottom line of smaller teams. They already have a smaller budget and then have to spend money on equipment also. Hence, the general trend of fewer results as well as a shorter life span. There&#039;s just no money to hire talent.
It seems silly however for some of the smaller teams to register with the UCI. They don&#039;t do any UCI races except Philly. 20 thousand euro bank guarantee and 12 grand in reg fees to do Philly and then not get selected for Missouri, and let&#039;s be honest, never get selected for Missouri. California will be Pro Tour next so it&#039;s guaranteed they will never do that race either. If that&#039;s what they really want to spend the money on, more power to them, but in reality, they could achieve a higher status as America&#039;s premier amateur team that feeds into the pros. They&#039;ll get better sponsorship for being the number one amateur team and they can pay the riders to help them develop. 
There are probably 20 elite and masters teams in California that get full bikes and clothing, shoes, helmets etc etc etc. including women&#039;s teams. They provide value for their sponsors in their area. The smaller pro teams simply don&#039;t provide enough value for say, Shimano to sink 20 grand in parts into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you&#8217;re saying about buying equipment, but only 2 or 3 teams have to do this. And they all merged into one for 2010. All of the other teams have full sponsorship deals. It does hurt the bottom line of smaller teams. They already have a smaller budget and then have to spend money on equipment also. Hence, the general trend of fewer results as well as a shorter life span. There&#8217;s just no money to hire talent.<br />
It seems silly however for some of the smaller teams to register with the UCI. They don&#8217;t do any UCI races except Philly. 20 thousand euro bank guarantee and 12 grand in reg fees to do Philly and then not get selected for Missouri, and let&#8217;s be honest, never get selected for Missouri. California will be Pro Tour next so it&#8217;s guaranteed they will never do that race either. If that&#8217;s what they really want to spend the money on, more power to them, but in reality, they could achieve a higher status as America&#8217;s premier amateur team that feeds into the pros. They&#8217;ll get better sponsorship for being the number one amateur team and they can pay the riders to help them develop.<br />
There are probably 20 elite and masters teams in California that get full bikes and clothing, shoes, helmets etc etc etc. including women&#8217;s teams. They provide value for their sponsors in their area. The smaller pro teams simply don&#8217;t provide enough value for say, Shimano to sink 20 grand in parts into.</p>
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		<title>By: Bicycle.Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bicycle.Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominguez to Jamis-Sutter Home from Rock Racing:
http://www.bicycle.net/2009/breaking-news-ivan-dominguez-to-sign-with-team-jamissutter-home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominguez to Jamis-Sutter Home from Rock Racing:<br />
<a href="http://www.bicycle.net/2009/breaking-news-ivan-dominguez-to-sign-with-team-jamissutter-home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bicycle.net/2009/breaking-news-ivan-dominguez-to-sign-with-team-jamissutter-home</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you might get x amount of frames for free, but most have to buy components. same with clothes, tires etc. you get x amount for free and thy rest you buy if you need more than allotted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you might get x amount of frames for free, but most have to buy components. same with clothes, tires etc. you get x amount for free and thy rest you buy if you need more than allotted.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would be surprised at the quality of the teams that still have to purchase their equipment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would be surprised at the quality of the teams that still have to purchase their equipment</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;$25k/per rider to cover equipment (yea, they buy it most of the time),&quot;

no they don&#039;t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;$25k/per rider to cover equipment (yea, they buy it most of the time),&#8221;</p>
<p>no they don&#8217;t</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Justin Kerr racing for Adageo?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who are the financial backers for Bahati&#039;s program. I haven&#039;t seen a list of sponsors yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who are the financial backers for Bahati&#8217;s program. I haven&#8217;t seen a list of sponsors yet.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you not see who Bahati has on his roster!  It is one hell of a team. I think you are wrong to think Bahati is running on 250k. There is more than that in Salaries alone!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you not see who Bahati has on his roster!  It is one hell of a team. I think you are wrong to think Bahati is running on 250k. There is more than that in Salaries alone!!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt McNamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McNamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They (meaning Bahati/Adageo or anyone else firing off a first year tam) probably don&#039;t have the luxury/budget of filling their rosters with more established pros. Established riders cost money - maybe not $$$$ but they certainly expect, and largely deserve, $$$ or at least $$.  If it costs, conservatively, $25k/per rider to cover equipment (yea, they buy it most of the time), travel, staff, and then perhaps a small stipend (read - not even enough to be called a salary!) that eats through money pretty quickly. I don&#039;t know their budgets - but I&#039;d guess that Bahati and Adageo, etc are running on less than $250k, probably a lot less. Then again, maybe they also chose based on personality and ego (or lack thereof)...there are 200 guys that can &quot;do the job&quot;, but then again can you stand being with &#039;em in the van for 10 hours? Let&#039;s pass judgement at the end of next season, not this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They (meaning Bahati/Adageo or anyone else firing off a first year tam) probably don&#8217;t have the luxury/budget of filling their rosters with more established pros. Established riders cost money &#8211; maybe not $$$$ but they certainly expect, and largely deserve, $$$ or at least $$.  If it costs, conservatively, $25k/per rider to cover equipment (yea, they buy it most of the time), travel, staff, and then perhaps a small stipend (read &#8211; not even enough to be called a salary!) that eats through money pretty quickly. I don&#8217;t know their budgets &#8211; but I&#8217;d guess that Bahati and Adageo, etc are running on less than $250k, probably a lot less. Then again, maybe they also chose based on personality and ego (or lack thereof)&#8230;there are 200 guys that can &#8220;do the job&#8221;, but then again can you stand being with &#8216;em in the van for 10 hours? Let&#8217;s pass judgement at the end of next season, not this one&#8230;</p>
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